Ukraine Talk

[Big Data]

Is it okay to open a discussion about Ukraine (or other news stories) that is just for opinions not for copy/pasted links to propaganda articles in the media or from activists or activist academics? I ask because all the threads I've looked at here open with a propaganda piece from one news rag or another.  I'd rather hear how you feel or what you're thinking as opposed to parroting pablum from media.

I'm going out on a limb and starting a discussion. If this is not allowed please delete this thread. I wasn't sure either way.

 

[Big Data]

My first thoughts on Ukraine back in 2014 when the so-called "Maidan Revolution" took place was why and who's behind this. It was obviously a CIA operation ordered by then President Obamma.

It was illegal interference in the sovereign state of Ukraine. The same thing the CIA did all over Central America, Afghanistan, Africa and most aggregiously the Middle East. The Machiavellian schemes of the US Govt defy explanation or understanding. If you think you know the reasons you are only fooling yourself. The promises made by the US to get Ukraine into NATO were intended to destabilize Ukraine. At first the Ukrainians only wanted to join NATO but they didn't know that was the last thing the CIA wanted. They wanted war with Russia. Obama hated Putin for personal reasons and used the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder in a proxy war with Putin. Putin being the narcissistic tyrrant he is took the bait.

That's when the money started flying out of the US into the hands of the military industrial complex and back into the pockets of US politicians and lobbyists. In the intervening years from 2014 to present how many Ukrainians and Russians have died? I don't trust any estimates in the media. It's all lies and anyone with a brain should realize that. But I'm sure the numbers are in the 10's of thousands at the very least. A once beautiful and productive country has fallen into nothing short of resembling the Dark Ages or maybe the Stone Age. For what? To expand NATO and destabilize Russia? It has done both. I guess you call that success. I call it monstrous.

Here's a video clip of Zelensky talking about his Jewish heritage and that his mothertongue is Russian. He was a well known TV personality before he was a politician so he had good training on acting the part he is given.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1645535867442962432

 

[dvernb]

You are absolutely welcome to state your opinion. In the west you are allowed to do that. Not like in Russia where even saying this is a war (which it is!) will get you up to 15 years in prison. Where the government can spew any propaganda they want and no one dares dispute it! I find it rich when eastern people keep harping about western propaganda! It is you who is the victim of propaganda, my friend.

Copy/pasted news articles are not western propaganda and you are welcome to post news articles with opposing views. I wouldn't try that in Russia though!

Russia invaded Ukraine! No one forced them to. In my opinion, to say this whole thing was caused by the U.S. and the CIA is ludicrous!

My understanding is when Russia invaded and annexed Crimea the Ukrainian people weren't very happy with Russia. They passed a law that the language used in government and taught in schools from then on would be Ukrainian. No one said Russian people couldn't speak Russian. Eastern propaganda!

People in Ukraine were not begging to be liberated. Have you noticed that Russian soldiers in Ukraine are not exactly being welcomed with open arms? 

As for your link it is very interesting to read through the comments section, especially those towards the end!

 

[Kath]

This is bonkers, and this forum is not Twitter.  That video is a cartoon... are you kidding?

 

[Big Data]

Thank you for clarifying the rules on discussion threads. Yes, the comments were interestingly amusing about AI. That's not the only clip of Zalensky as a TV/Social Media personality where his role is very different from the one we see him in now. Those were better days for sure.

I think you assumed I am Russian or a Russian sympathizer. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Neither of us know anything about each other other than we are members here. We only have the typed words we exchange. Can we agree on that statement at least?

I could say I live in Russia or America but members here would only have my word on that so it's pointless to claim such a thing. Likewise for you or anyone else. I have made no judgement on your nationality nor anyone elses.

If you truly believe all you read in western media then you have my sympathy because you have already drank the kool-aid. The same goes for anyone who believes all they read in any media print or social.

From what I've gathered reading other threads here there is a trend favoring Woke narratives rather than Awakened ones. This is the same on DebatePolitics too. At least there are a few on DP who mistakenly believe they can debate Wokeness. It can't be done.  Wokeness is a totalitarian mindset. No debate or dissent is allowed. It is a grotesque and twisted thing that poisons every one who falls into the trap. It has insinuated itself into all levels of education and the result is horrifingly obvious.

The War in Ukraine is the result of American CIA interference. Period. Russia/Putin took the bait and now they're in another Afghanistan debacle. The CIA was behind Russia's Afghanistan War too. You can deny that or you can accept it and justify it in some way. Most likely you will continue to deny it. That's the narrative fed to you.

I hope we can continue to discuss this and many other news of the world.

 

[Big Data]

This is bonkers, and this forum is not Twitter.  That video is a cartoon... are you kidding?

Twitter is a social media platform. This forum is a social media platform. Zelensky is a cartoon character among many other laughable things.

 

[Merlin]

Thank you Big Data. Thank you for bringing some fresh views to our pages. It's important to welcome all viewpoints not just the prevailing ones and yours is as valid as any. I'm surprised no one else has Thanked your posts here. Thanks are free to give. Even a Check mark is better than no recognition of your participation.

Please don't give up on us. The others are good people and will come around eventually.

I've used DebatePolitics myself and I've seen you there too. It is the big leagues compared to our little nook on the web. It takes a brave heart to take the plunge there. I'm just a lurker, . When I want an adrenaline rush I put one toe in over there. Maybe some of our regulars are familiar with it too if not maybe they should try posting there. They'd come right back here pretty quick! 😆