Isn't it strange

[Kath]

The whole success of our world is down to the female of the species.

Bees, cows, sheep, hens and more, the males are surplus to requirements, so they are culled for food usually and the girls are left to carry on doing their work... I can't be bothered to look them all up, but it kinda puts a perspective on life. 😄

Should we start eating useless men... joking 🙂

Edited September 21, 2021 by Kath

[splitinfinitive]

We make good house pets though....

[Kath]

Well, I would like a man who can build me something simple out of wood.  Know how to prune plants without killing them (this one my man actually did while I was sick). Decorate the house with a little paint... nothing fancy. Know about plumbing (I was under the sink last year to solve a leak by removing the P pipe), now I know.  In a million years my man would never had done any of those things.

Please guys, learn how to take care of a house... even cooking isn't that hard.

Edited September 22, 2021 by Kath

[Gethin]

Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/)

is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men or boys in general. Misandry may be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sexism, hostility, gynocentrism, mockery, belittling of men, violence against men, and sexual objectification.

[Makara]

On 9/21/2021 at 10:17 PM, Kath said:

The whole success of our world is down to the female of the species.

Bees, cows, sheep, hens and more, the males are surplus to requirements, so they are culled for food usually and the girls are left to carry on doing their work... I can't be bothered to look them all up, but it kinda puts a perspective on life. 😄

Should we start eating useless men... joking 🙂

speaking as a ex Butcher  female beef is totally different from the males for 1 the fat is a different colour it's a dark yellow almost orange colour and the lean meat it's only good for using as mince, Burgers or stewing steak for steak pies you have to trim off all the fat and add fat from male cows.  from abattoirs the carcass comes in already deboned and we call it boneless because the meat is so cheap another difference is the actual meat colour is much darker as well .

female lamb and pork looks the same as males of the species    

[Kath]

 

23 hours ago, Gethin said:

Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/)

is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men or boys in general. Misandry may be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sexism, hostility, gynocentrism, mockery, belittling of men, violence against men, and sexual objectification.

I don't know why you had thought that.  I don't dislike men, In fact I prefer men to women as friends.  This was a little thought from my own head that I noticed.  It may seem odd to you that some people think laterally or out of the box. Women are not subordinate to men.  An example - In the Jewish religion, a woman is the only way a Jewish line is acceptable. it never passes down through the men.  NO, I have no religion, I am an atheist.

But that said.  All I can say is, sometimes we need to look at where we are as humans and see what's important.  We all have our roles, they are both important roles.  But each is important, just as the road sweeper, the cleaner or the waiter in a restaurant are US.  They are all needed, if they are not there, we will miss them immediately, I know this, a cleaner  at an office I worked in didn't come into work.  It was mayhem, the bins were full, the toilets were not cleaned... a lesson learned... every single job a person does is important.

[Gethin]

Suppose we reverse the gender references in the above comment. Would it seem misogynistic? I believe so. I believe some would recoil at the comment.

Lets try it. Shall we?
 

The whole success of our world is down to the male of the species.

Bees, cows, sheep, hens and more, the females are surplus to requirements, so they are culled for food usually and the boys are left to carry on doing their work... I can't be bothered to look them all up, but it kinda puts a perspective on life. 😄

Should we start eating useless women... joking  🙂

[Kath]

Oh Gethin, you finally got it!  It was not a serious comment about women, it was a tongue in cheek or joke remark on my part.

But on a serious note, I can or could before I became very old, do most of the male historical roles. In fact, my husband preferred to to washing. cooking, shopping and cleaning (not very well on the cleaning I might add), while I preferred to paint the fence, fix a leaky sink or even lay a new path or do the gardening. All I ever lacked was strength, so I needed help with that.  Now I'm furious, I can't do any of those things now, it's not great being old, you need to be really fit to manage it.

[Kath]

On 9/23/2021 at 12:03 PM, Makara said:

speaking as a ex Butcher  female beef is totally different from the males for 1 the fat is a different colour it's a dark yellow almost orange colour and the lean meat it's only good for using as mince, Burgers or stewing steak for steak pies you have to trim off all the fat and add fat from male cows.  from abattoirs the carcass comes in already deboned and we call it boneless because the meat is so cheap another difference is the actual meat colour is much darker as well .

female lamb and pork looks the same as males of the species    

This is very interesting Makara, butchery is fascinating to me.  I'm an omnivore, I eat everything , I love veggie food too. But butchery I find  draws me in.  It's that curiosity of how to do things that drives me.  I used to watch a butcher on YT who went through the whole gamut of animal carcasses, I watched him enthralled by it... it's the thirst for knowledge, I just want to know HOW.

[Makara]

1 hour ago, Kath said:

This is very interesting Makara, butchery is fascinating to me.  I'm an omnivore, I eat everything , I love veggie food too. But butchery I find  draws me in.  It's that curiosity of how to do things that drives me.  I used to watch a butcher on YT who went through the whole gamut of animal carcasses, I watched him enthralled by it... it's the thirst for knowledge, I just want to know HOW.

when i talk about Yellow/orange fat i am of course referring to the breed of cattle that is Aberdeen angus (in America they call it Black Angus because they want a all black herd) 1 in every 4 calves born is born with red skin (some say genetic defect i prefer quirk) and people call it the highland cow it's still Aberdeen angus and every bit as good as the black skinned Aberdeen Angus  for some reason farmers in America cull the red skin calves .

 

to make a cut of beef you follow the seam the knack is finding the seam when i first started one of the jobs i was taught was breaking down the beast (Cow) from the hind to the end of the rib eye as the shoulder was delivered separately i was only 18 at the time and i hade to balance a side of beef minus the shoulder on my shoulder and walk 200 yards to my work area to split it up .... i had to walk through a garage to get to my section one time the abattoir delivered a monster around 240 kilos on one side needless to say i got 3/4 quarters up the garage when my legs buckled  and the beast landed on top of me one of the garage workers saw it happen and ran to our butcher shop to get help the owner and two butchers came out and lifted it from me and hung it up to be split up and also brought in the 2nd side ... needless to say my boss said it least the beef got a soft landing and wasn't damaged and he told me to take a half an hour rest as he could see i wasn't with it  because i was seeing stars lol ... i see the funny side to it  32/33 years later 

 

anyhoo back to beef i think the fat in female dairy cows are nearer the colour of male beef cows as the latest trend is to sell 10 year old dairy cows for butchering due to their high marbling of fat normally in the UK we do not like meat with a lot of fat on it hence male beef cattle in the UK is culled at a much younger age than say north America and Asia where beef/Pork fat marbling are seen as prime cuts where as the UK lean meat is seen as prime cuts and meat with fat marbling is seen as cheap cuts 

beef cuts and what they are called elsewhere 

America                                          England                           Scotland

Chuck Steak                             Shoulder Steak                    Shoulder Steak

Brisket                                       Brisket                                  Brisket

Striploin/New York Strip             Sirloin Steak                       Sirloin Steak

Porterhouse Steak                       Porterhouse Steak             T-Bone Steak

T-Bone Steak                               T-Bone Steak                     T-Bone Steak

Top Sirloin                                   Rump Steak                        Popeseye Steak  

                                                    Top Rump                           Rump Steak

Silverside                                     Silverside                             Silverside

 

Brisket is the same cut in the 3 countries how it's prepared traditionally differs in all 3 countries , for Example America it's used as the centre piece of a southern Barbecue, traditionally in England they do not bone out the Brisket instead they boil it, in Scotland it's boned, trimmed and rolled and roasted in a oven at a low temperature as part of our sunday dinner 

in Scotland any Sirloin with a piece of Fillet steak separated by bone is a T-Bone and Popeseye steak is a throw back to when Scotland was uber Presbyterian the bone (pelvic) has a big hole that looks like a crooked eye when you remove it from the flesh and it just so happened one of the popes at the time had a crooked eye hence "Popeseye" it's not politically correct and Supermarkets call it Rump Steak in Scotland hence it causes some confusion in supermarkets it's like the Turnip/Swede what we call turnip in Scotland is called Swede in England and what we call Swede the English call it turnip because most of the super markets are based in England they call foods by there English name which causes a lot of confusion even our pancakes and crumpets are different 

 

sorry for the long winded post   

[splitinfinitive]

When I had bowel cancer a few years back my surgeon said..."don't eat red meat". He was a Buddhist and probably biased anyway but I've stuck to that. You know what I'd have if I was allowed one dish? A minced beef and potato stew, or a "stovie" as the Scots call it.

Lots of carrots and onions.... 😋

[Kath]

Makara, that was a fabulous description of butchery, funny too when you were felled by a carcass. I've boned a leg of lamb and it was arduous for me, but still enjoyable.

Split, my husband died from a bowel cancer 3 years ago, it spread so much they couldn't save him.  I'm so glad you managed to defeat it... every day is a bonus 🙂

Edited September 25, 2021 by Kath

[Makara]

16 hours ago, splitinfinitive said:

When I had bowel cancer a few years back my surgeon said..."don't eat red meat". He was a Buddhist and probably biased anyway but I've stuck to that. You know what I'd have if I was allowed one dish? A minced beef and potato stew, or a "stovie" as the Scots call it.

Lots of carrots and onions.... 😋

stovies is actually sausage meat (Square slice or Lorne the difference is the meat in lorne is a 100% beef and square slice it's a combo of mostly beef some lamb and some pork) boiled with potatoes/tatties, onions & carrots then add a stock cube and some bisto and corn flour and that's the traditional stovies simple as pie 

 

@Kath it's never easy to lose a loved one to cancer ... i've lost 3 friends all aged 42 to Cancer over the years ... i saw one of my school mates 2 weeks before he died and i hugged him as i knew i would most likely never see him alive again and told him to keep fighting it Sean was a year above me in school and his brother Gary was in my year he sadly died last year

Edited September 26, 2021 by Makara

[splitinfinitive]

2 hours ago, Kath said:

Makara, that was a fabulous description of butchery, funny too when you were felled by a carcass. I've boned a leg of lamb and it was arduous for me, but still enjoyable.

Split, my husband died from a bowel cancer 3 years ago, it spread so much they couldn't save him.  I'm so glad you managed to defeat it... every day is a bonus 🙂

I spent two years under going some fairly uncomfortable procedures but I'm clean now.

My advice to everyone is to watch for the signs... get any blood checked immediately, it's not always painful in the early stages. Always accept surgery if it's offered, it's better out than in, a friend diagnosed about the same time as me had his delayed for a year while he underwent other treatment and when they finally operated died the next day. I consider myself fortunate that I was treated in a hospital where the surgeons still rule.

 

It's no respecter of the rich and famous.... check out this list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_diagnosed_with_colorectal_cancer

(Note that the Queen's mother lived 35 years with hers... )

[Kath]

Hubby didn't even know he was sick, it was all going on inside with no visible symptoms, by the time it was discovered, it was too late .

It's in the past for me now, but I do participate in bowel screening now, which I didn't before.  Also, make sure you have plans to pay for your funeral.... I know, I know, it's a horrible subject....

Neither of us had a funeral plan, so, it was down to me to pay for it.  I did manage it, but it took every penny I had and left me penniless, all that I had was my pension coming in from that point on.

So now I am applying for equity release for the house I own to release money to cover all that and to get help for me in the garden and in the home as I'm finding it hard to cope now with the pain I have.

Just keep going, that's the plan 😉

[splitinfinitive]

Oh, there's a school of thought it's hereditary as well, my grand father and a cousin on my father's side both died of it.

 

[Kath]

Basically Split, all the descendents need to do regular bowel screening checks now.

I would strongly recommend that.