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just over 36,000 contracted it today in the UK including 3,500 in Scotland , the 3rd wave hit Scotland first in the UK now the rest of the UK is catching up and i reckon it's only just the start ... over 50 deaths today and the dominant strain is the Indian Variant the real danger is the Peru strain which is way more deadlier and contagious and the current vaccines do not work against it and we know the Peruvian strain is already in the UK and the really crazy thing is the UK including Scotland (devolved governments set rules for covid 19 legislation/rules) are easing restrictions to the state that we are almost fully back to normal .... it's absolutely nuts 

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Are there any statistics to identify how many people have been hospitalised from those vast numbers? How many of the infected were not vaccinated and how many were vaccinated.  These figures are important, being infected is not the same as being gravely ill.

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1 hour ago, Kath said:

Are there any statistics to identify how many people have been hospitalised from those vast numbers? How many of the infected were not vaccinated and how many were vaccinated.  These figures are important, being infected is not the same as being gravely ill.

can't speak for the whole of the UK but in Scotland during the peak we had over a 1,000 in hospital and over 100 in ICU at the peak  of the 2nd wave  .... currently  we have over 500 in Hospital in Scotland and around 50 in ICU ... on wedensday Scot Gov reported that we had 62 in ICU but sadly wedenday/Thursday 19 died in Scotland and only 5 today  ... keep in mind the 3rd wave hit England 2 or 3 weeks after Scotland the number of daily cases are going down but hospitalisation is rising as is ICU patients  ... it's reckoned 80% of the deaths in Scotland have had the two vaccinations 

 

all i know from English data last week around 60 - 70% of all covid deaths is from people who have had their 2nd jags/jabs and it's the Delta/Indian strain that's causing the deaths we also have the Peruvian strain in the UK in small numbers and that strain cuts through the vaccines as if you haven't had it and that hospitalisations and ICU wards are starting to fill up in parts of England and Wales hence the worry 

 

In 2 to 3 weeks time as England catches up  on Scotland you will sadly see the death rates, hospitalisations and ICU wards fill up again .... the vaccines are not a silver bullet if the Peruvian strain manages to multiply in the UK .... we could be facing a disaster  

 

 

The Driver for the 3rd wave is football fans ... Scotland got the 3rd strain earlier than England and Wales due to Rangers fans illegally parading/marching through Glasgow after winning the league people came from throughout Scotland for the march/parade hence the spread Scotland wide then Scotland fans going down to London for the England v Scotland game  ... and the spike in England is down to England fans at the knockout rounds and at the final not social distancing or wearing masks and people almost on top of each other ... i reckon within the next week or two UK/England could hit over 100K cases daily and with the restrictions removed in masking i fear the worst ... we still have to wear mask by law ... i have to wear i visor as i can't breathe with a mask

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https://fullfact.org/online/fully-vaccinated-deaths-daily-expose/

 

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The text of the post reads: “Whilst you’ve been distracted by Hancock’s affair, PHE released a report revealing 62% of alleged Covid deaths are people who’ve been vaccinated.”

This claim comes from a longer article published by website The Daily Expose, which cites its source as a technical briefing on Covid-19 variants published by PHE on 25 June.

The article claims the briefing shows that, of the 117 Covid-19 deaths caused by the Delta variant that have occurred since 1 February, 60% of them were people who had received at least one dose of Covid-19 vaccines and, of this group of vaccinated people, 70% had received both doses.

the quote in bold is the telling part

The biggest impact now is Long Covid 

in early June it was just 30% double vaccinated

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nearly-30-those-dying-delta-20812363

 

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5 hours ago, willythecat said:

For me, this is a really interesting thread seeing peoples opinions/data.
As l said before in this thread, whilst France may not have the the same amount of vacs as the UK, which is brilliant by the way,
our strategy sort of towers above the UK (sorry) in what we have to do here, ie wearing of masks in all shops, on all transport etc.etc.
But then hey, forget about all of these stats being quoted because come Monday, BOJO in his infinite wisdom has labelled it as "Freedom Day".
I can see it all now........ Most masks being removed by a lot of people who are fed up with wearing them, and who have no concept of the damage
they/this will cause.
Don't really like the guy, as l think he's pretty useless overall, but Sadiq Khan (or as l call him Sadiq Khant) does at least have a point in ensuring
that facemasks should be made compulsory on all of TFL!
Give it two to three weeks after that day though, and then let's see what all your stats say.
Hey, let's all go to Soccer Aid 2021 at the Etiad Stadium in Manchester, all are invited and no masks are required. Yep, right!
Grrrrr, it just makes my blimmin' blood boil, but enough of me ranting on.
Any thoughts?
Kind regards

masks have not been removed in Scotland and can't see it happen for the foreseeable future .... i didn't want to bring politics into this but BOJO is a clown and he will end the UK within the next year or two .... Scotland has had enough .... the big one being dragged out the EU against the wishes of 62% of Scots and the way he carries on is a vote recruiter for the end of the UK  not just in Scotland but Wales also .... Boris Johnson is a total moron and according to the media a lot of world leaders are extremely angry at him for fully opening up in the middle or beginning of a new 3rd wave ... because the UK is so heavily vaccinated the fear is a new strain could emerge that could render all vaccines obsolete 

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 Sorry Makara, wasn't trying to be, or even get political. It's just as l see it from afar, watching the English news here etc etc.
Am also in contact with my so called "family" in England, so l also get their point of view on this.
You have got to admit though, it just it beggars belief.
We have Scotland, Wales, NI, and England all quite rightly doing their own thing as they deem fit.
However, as one island, well apart from the island of Ireland (hate that term), wouldn't it be great to have a general overall plan?
Regards

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3 hours ago, willythecat said:

 Sorry Makara, wasn't trying to be, or even get political. It's just as l see it from afar, watching the English news here etc etc.
Am also in contact with my so called "family" in England, so l also get their point of view on this.
You have got to admit though, it just it beggars belief.
We have Scotland, Wales, NI, and England all quite rightly doing their own thing as they deem fit.
However, as one island, well apart from the island of Ireland (hate that term), wouldn't it be great to have a general overall plan?
Regards

none of the devolved governments trust London to do what's best in all our interests it all stems back to brexit and how all 3 devolved governments were shut off from brexit negotiations .... the key issue is trust nobody trusts London or the Tory government

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The important thing is, we have no yardstick by which to measure our progress by, it's totally new and every country is flying by the seat of it's pants.  It's by trial and error at the moment.  Nobody is to blame for failures, they are inevitable.  I for one will continue to wear my shield (I can't wear a mask).

If you choose not to wear one, well, it's your choice, but if you've read this thread, you might want to reconsider.

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I don't think masks are the answer most people think they are.  I believe it can enter through your eyes also. Boris Johnson is saving the economy of England, Scotland should be thrown out of the UK because they are never happy and without money pouring in from  Westminister  the Scots would soon be in bad shape.

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson's 'freedom day' ending over a year of COVID-19 lockdown restrictions in England was marred on Monday by surging infections, warnings of supermarket shortages and his own forced self-isolation.

Johnson's bet that he can get one of Europe's largest economies firing again because so many people are now vaccinated marks a new chapter in the global response to the coronavirus.

If the vaccines prove effective in reducing severe illness and deaths even while infections reach record levels, Johnson's decision could offer a path out of the worst public health crisis in decades. If not, more lockdowns could loom.

But Johnson's big day was marred by "pingdemic chaos" as a National Health Service app ordered hundreds of thousands of people to self-isolate - prompting warnings supermarket shelves could soon be emptied.

"If we don’t do it now we’ve got to ask ourselves, when will we ever do it?" Johnson said just hours after he was forced to abandon a plan to dodge the 10-day quarantine requirement for himself and finance minister Rishi Sunak.

"This is the right moment but we’ve got to do it cautiously. We’ve got to remember that this virus is sadly still out there."

Britain has the seventh highest death toll in the world, 128,708, and is forecast to soon have more new infections each day than it did at the height of a second wave of the virus earlier this year. On Sunday there were 48,161 new cases.

But, outstripping European peers, 87% of Britain's adult population has had one vaccination dose, and more than 68% have had the two doses which provide fuller protection. Daily deaths, currently at around 40 per day, are just a fraction of a peak of above 1,800 seen in January.

More here:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/pm-johnson-pleads-caution-freedom-day-arrives-england-2021-07-18/

Personally, I think he is making a very big mistake.

He apparently didn't read the beginning of this thread (Lol).

We'll know in a couple of weeks!

This may be the beginning of the end for Boris!

 

 

 

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Sorry folks, but I have to admit that this discussion drifted into the political arena and 'off topic'.  Please folks, It's really not about politics in any way.  It's about human life and this terrible GLOBAL pandemic. Personal agendas don't really fit here.

Having read all this thread, I doubt any of us who read it will be removing our masks.

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